Sunday 17 July 2022

July 2022 Talks with Ramana select-2

 Experience gained without rooting out all the vasanas cannot remain steady. 

Efforts must be made to eradicate the vasanas. 

Otherwise rebirth after death takes place. 

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The cosmic mind, manifesting in some rare being, is able to effect the linkage in others of the individual (weak) mind with the universal (strong) mind of the inner recess. 

Such a rare being is called the Guru or God in manifestation.

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vol 2 begins:

D.: How to train the mind to look within? 

M.: By practice. 

The mind is the intelligent phase leading to its own destruction, for Self to manifest.

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Bhagavan said that the tiny hole in the Heart remains always closed, 

but it is opened by vichara 

with the result that ‘I-I’ consciousness shines forth.

 It is the same as samadhi.

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Sravana removes the illusion of the Self being one with the body, etc. 

Reflection makes it clear that Knowledge is Self.

 One pointedness reveals the Self as being Infinite and Blissful.

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All the sastras are meant only to make the man retrace his steps to the original source.

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M.: Surrender will make one understand the Grace.

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D.: How to gain Divine Grace? 

M.: By surrender. 

D.: Still I do not feel Grace. 

M.: Sincerity is wanting. Surrender should not be verbal nor conditional.

To merge into the Heart is prayer. That is also Grace.

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One must be like Janaka for jnana to dawn. 

One must be ready to sacrifice everything for the Truth. 

Complete renunciation is the index of fitness.

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D.: Will vichara alone do in the absence of meditation? 

M.: Vichara is the process and the goal also. 

‘I Am’ is the goal and the final Reality

To hold to it with effort is vichara. 

When spontaneous and natural. it is Realisation.

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M.: (1) Holding on to Reality is samadhi. 

(2) Holding on to Reality with effort is savikalpa samadhi. 

(3) Merging in Reality and remaining unaware of the world is nirvikalpa samadhi.  

(4) Merging in Ignorance and remaining unaware of the world is sleep. (Head bends but not in samadhi).

 (5) Remaining in the primal, pure natural state without effort is sahaja nirvikalpa samadhi.

........talks part 11 ends

I do not feel the ever present help. 

M. Surrender and you will find it. 

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Those who have limited the unlimited Self have committed suicide by putting on such limitations.

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D.: Vasanakshaya (total end of all predispositions) - Mano nasa (annihilation of mind) - Atma-sakshatkara (Realisation of the Self). They seem to be interdependent.

M.: The different expressions have only one meaning. They differ according to the individual’s stage of progress. 

Dispassion, Realisation, all mean the same thing; also they say ‘practice and dispassion’. Why practice? Because the modes of mind once subside and then rise up; again subside and rise up, and so on

M.: What is to be done? Reality is One only. How can It be realised? Realisation is thus an illusion. Practice seems to be necessary. 

Who is to practise? Looking for the doer, the act and the accessories disappear. 

Moreover, if Realisation is not present here and now, how can It, newly got, be of any use? What is permanent must be eternally present. Can it be newly got and be permanent also? Realise what is present here and now. 

The sages did so before and still do that only. 

Hence they say that it looks as if newly got. Once veiled by ignorance and later revealed, 

Reality looks as if newly realised. But it is not new.

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One cannot see God and yet retain individuality. The seer and the seen unite into one Being. There is no cogniser, nor cognition, nor the cognised. All merge into One Supreme Siva only!

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D.: What should one think of when meditating?

 M.: What is meditation? It is expulsion of thoughts. You are perturbed by thoughts which rush one after another. Hold on to one thought so that others are expelled. 

Continuous practice gives the necessary strength of mind to engage in meditation. 

Meditation differs according to the degree of advancement of the seeker. 

If one is fit for it one might directly hold the thinker. 

The thinker will automatically sink into his source, namely Pure Consciousness.

 If one cannot directly hold the thinker one must meditate on God.

In due course the same individual will have become sufficiently pure 

to hold the thinker 

and sink into absolute Being.

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M.: Leave God alone. Speak for yourself. You do not know God. He is only what you think of Him. Is he apart from you? He is that Pure Consciousness in which all ideas are formed. You are that Consciousness.

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The Truth is that Self is constant and unintermittent Awareness.

 The object of enquiry is to find the true nature of the Self as Awareness.

Let one practise enquiry so long as separateness is perceived. 

If once realisation arises there is no further need for enquiry. 

The question will also not arise. 

Can awareness ever think of questioning who is aware? 

Awareness remains pure and simple.

 The enquirer is aware of his own individuality.

 Enquiry does not stand in the way of his individual awareness; nor does external work interfere with such awareness. 

If work, seemingly external, does not obstruct the individual awareness, will the work, realised to be not separate from the Self, obstruct the uninterrupted Awareness of the Self, which is One without a second and which is not an individual separate from work?

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Samadhi must be gained. 

It must be continuously practised until sahaja samadhi results. 

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How is it made ever abiding? 

M.: By scorching the predispositions. 

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M.: These questions arise only in the absence of strength of mind. 

As the mental activities diminish its strength increases.

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Again people often ask how the mind is controlled. I say to them, “Show me the mind and then you will know what to do.” 

The fact is that the mind is only a bundle of thoughts. How can you extinguish it by the thought of doing so or by a desire? Your thoughts and desires are part and parcel of the mind. The mind is simply fattened by new thoughts rising up. 

Therefore it is foolish to attempt to kill the mind by means of the mind.

The only way of doing it is to find its source and hold on to it. 

The mind will then fade away of its own accord. 

Yoga teaches chitta vritti nirodha (control of the activities of the mind). 

But I say Atma vichara (Self-investigation).

 This is the practical way. 

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........Investigate the matter and ascertain the truth of the statement. The result will be the conclusion that the objective world is in the subjective consciousness. The Self is thus the only Reality which permeates and also envelops the world.

Since there is no duality, no thoughts will arise to disturb your peace. 

This is Realisation of the Self. 

The Self is eternal and so also its Realisation.

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