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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bc34YcCCb4   reply by LL

1:32 longest fast he supervised 18 weeks - 126 days..got rid of testicular cancer stage 4. 1:44

1:32 18 weeks -126 days fast 1:44 stage 4 testicular cancer disappeared. 2:40 people fasted more than 6 mths 3:39 hunger=pleasant tickling sensation in the throat

Hi Freedomfajter, As I've been fasting people for nearly 19 years and have fasted thousands, I can't swear that I remember who was the skinniest either before or after, but it could be a young man who here's with me.  He's about 5'10"(177) and arrived weighing only about 77 pounds (35 Kilos).   While he was already very, very skinny with relatively few reserves, he was dealing with a serious degenerative disease and his health had deteriorated significantly.  He fasted two weeks and is now going through what is sure to be a long recovery process.  HIs weight is still quite low, but is beginning to come back up and it appears that he is finally able to get decades worth of old material from his body which will -- hopefully -- allow his body to thrive in a way that it truly Never has before since he's been sick since birth. As it happens, we have another gentleman here who also arrived very skinny (5'11" or 179.5 and 90 pounds or just over 40 kilos) who fasted for nearly 2 weeks and is also now eliminating years and years worth of old, hard, fecal matter.  He's been able to clear lots of mucous from his lungs and looks and feels healthier and more vibrant every day. His road will also be a relatively long one to recovery as this is virtually always the case when someone depletes their reserves to this extent, but it now seems that full recovery may be possible where it seemed quite possible that he had little time left on this earth when he arrived.

We don't measure the size of people's bm's -- though it has recently occurred to me watching these two very skinny guys eliminating so much.  In most cases, it's not that any particular bowel movement is so large, but rather that when the body is finally ready to let go of this formerly hard, dried material which it's been breaking down and re-hydrating, there will often be many bowel movements in a short amount of time.  So the younger man mentioned above has had 13 or 14 large bm's in the last 3 days, and the older man has similarly been eliminated a huge amount of this stuff earlier in the re-feeding process.   In both cases, getting rid of this old stuff will almost certainly allow these guys to being gaining healthy weight where they could not before. And we did have a client a few months ago who had a single bowel movement that nearly filled the toilet bowl -- likely an award-winner is such awards existed. As for quantity, we had a client a few years ago who had more than 60 bm's while fasting 11 days.  And she was referred by her colon hydrotherapist, who is also a client.  Clearly, hydrotherapy is not as effective as some folks would have you believe. As for worms, while our virtually infinitely-intelligent bodies will generally look at anything/everything present in our body and will break it down to extract anything which may be useful, every once in a while we'll have someone passing worms.   Last year, within a few weeks of each other, I had two women who each passed a significant quantity of worms, one of them eliminating whole cupfuls at a time. I could say more but frankly, this topic stinks.

there are several possibilities here; it might be that if you weren't aware that this pleasant tickling sensation was true hunger that you wouldn't have noticed it.  It might also be that your body was indeed wanting you to rest and so was not really interested in food at that moment.  The tired organism will choose rest over food unless already starving.  For instance, the male fur seal spends roughly two months fasting during mating season each year and then sleeps before eating. Eating fruit will always provide a burst of energy because we immediately begin to absorb sugar into the blood stream, but this in no way indicates that we needed to eat.   Feeling depleted and thinking about food aren't necessarily good signals as feeling depleted usually means we need to rest and thinking about food can happen for a variety of reasons including when we seek to suppress emotions, are bored, etc.   Frankly, most people have never experienced true hunger and may not until they fast long enough to both create the need for food and learn to really listen to the body. There's no question that one can indeed rely on true hunger to function optimally in physically strenuous situations.  But the key is often getting the body clean enough to be able to both hear and trust it's messages.

+HigherPlanes Hi HP, I do indeed experience "true hunger" and apologize if I wasn't very clear on the video; while fasting, the body will not express true hunger until it actually needs calories or nutrients, which for most people is many weeks as you correctly said above.   But when not fasting, your body would rather eat food than consume it's reserves, (which it stores for occasions when food isn't available) so "hunger" messages are apparent.  Many people may never experience this because their bodies truly want the opportunity to cleanse more than to eat most of the time.

rice high in arsenic, mucous forming

I can appreciate how both cultural traditions, habits, proximity, and the scarcity of other options can make giving up the rice (or other things in other cases) difficult to do.  But there's no question that all grains are significantly sub-optimal foods for humans.  And while you'd like me to ignore the fact that cooking food creates toxins this is a fact which anyone who's been all raw almost instantly knows to be a fact when they eat any cooked food.  Given that this is the case, I'm not sure what other reasons one would need to avoid it.  But rice has other issues including a frequently very high arsenic content and the fact that it's a mucous forming food.    While your relatively small rice consumption (compared to the places where people typically eat 3-6 cups per day) means you are at lower risk of problems associated with its consumption, but if you are interested in maximizing your health, any/all cooked foods would be better avoided.  Namaste.

there is a hidden sweetness in the stomach's emptiness..rumi , sufi poet 

Thanks for your comments Evan.  True hunger is a pleasant tickling sensation in the back of the throat, accompanied by a strong "knowing" that one needs to eat…the difficulty with the last part is that so many people have beliefs about what/how much they need to eat that they may get this "knowing" wrong.  I've seen many people fasting who aren't hungry at all for 6-8 weeks suddenly know that they need to eat...

+natureasintended there are various potential causes of nausea while fasting, though quite often it's either mucous in an otherwise empty stomach, bile being duped into an otherwise empty duodenum, or something toxic in the system

forget ketogenic diets

Hi, first of all, I should make it clear that I would Not advocate a ketogenic diet. Going into ketosis while fasting is very different than consuming a diet which creates ketosis by keeping us from eating the carbs our bodies need and want. Furthermore, from my perspective, there are No animal products that constitute good fats and all contain excessive amounts of protein...protein which ages and kills us faster when we consume more than a very small amount. Stick to mono fruit meals and simple green salads for the best results and forget about ketogenic diets.

Here's a list of pretty smart veggies: Susan Anthony, St Francis, William Blake, Charlotte Bronte, Buddha, Einstein, Epicurus, Gandhi, Sir Isaac Newton, Pythagoras, Sir Isaac Pitman, Plato, Plutarch, IB Singer, GB Shaw, A Schweitzer, Percy Shelley, Socrates, Tolstoy, Tesla. HD Thoreau, Twain, Da Vinci, Voltaire, Alice Walker, Wells Clearly, these folks didn't need animals, and I would venture to speculate that they didn't need cooked either.

enemas..no

"Not understanding" is a very empowered place to be...if you are open to learning. I'm clear from yrs of experience with 1000's of clients that the less we interfere with the body's processes, the better. Enemas flush out beneficial bacteria, alter the colon's pH & weaken the muscle. They do Not eliminate much of the old waste & are unnecessary as the body eliminates all of it when given the chance. Things that create instant relief are usually not beneficial. Getting out of the way = miracles.

B12 is manufactured by bacteria in the body in great quantity. More meat eaters have real B12 problems than vegans because the issue is almost always in the ability to assimilate and use it properly. Anyone B12 deficient (or supplementing) needs to fast to cleanse the body. As for vitamin D, we need sunlight on the skin and in the eyes, and if it's not available where you live and you care about your health, you might want to consider moving or making arrangements to get away to a sunny place.

soil depleted in nutrients not the issue

Hi Danny. While I think it's clear that soils are depleted -- especially where crops are grown conventionally -- this is much less of an issue with organic produce which has been shown to be significantly higher in nutrients than conventional & because our nutrient needs are relatively limited, I doubt that relatively low nutrient-density foods would create an issue in a properly-functioning body. Rather, I suggest that the issue is far more often due to an inefficient, poorly-working system.

you need to take hormones (thyroid) if you are deficient, while fasting.

+hyylo That may be a valid formula hyylo, but I would suggest that we would be better served focusing not on alkalinity but rather on hydration and toxicity, two things that we can directly control by giving the body the chance to cleanse and heal and then by meeting it's needs as well as possible via eating correctly and making optimal lifestyle choices. Doing these things insures optimal body pH and plenty of oxygen and without getting hydrated and clean, no amount of oxygen or alkalinity will protect us.

After fasting 21 days or more (assuming it's done correctly,) most folks do not need to worry about eating citrus as they will be unlikely to still have a candida issue. Until then, lemons and limes are no different from other citrus in that they will harbor invisible food mold in the pores of the skin and so handling them without creating an issue is difficult. And yes, brazil and walnuts are fine...though like all nuts should be eaten very sparingly.

I don't recommend using anti-fungals actually. Things that kill anything are toxic and since there is no reason to use them and they are harmful to us, why go there? Give your body the chance to cleanse and heal itself and you will not need anti-fungals.

Sorry to hear that Michelle. It is entirely possible that candida comes back after fasting...same as heart disease, cancer, and every other condition. The key is to make optimal choices after the fast as what happens after the fast depends entirely on the choices one makes.

fermented foods acid forming. bacteria levels will rise not necessarily the right balance

can fasting cure stds?

Fasting doesn't actually cure anything, but rather gives the body the optimal conditions to heal itself. And the body can heal itself from most conditions given enough time and if fasting properly, though each case is different.

+gobbledy_ gook Your body -- and Only your body -- can heal a broken bone. Fasting (correctly and long-enough) provides the body with the optimal conditions so that the healing happens as well and efficiently as possible.

+Spartak Dapaj Yes, I fasted alone...and certainly made many mistakes which lengthened my healing time and possibly put me at risk at the time. Fasting unsupervised most certainly IS dangerous and I work with people all the time to undo some of the damage that they've created by doing it. Unfortunately, there is no amount of "book learning" that can prepare one for the actual experience and most people do not have the luxury of learning on their own bodies. Your health is the single most important thing that there is. Fasting properly inevitably creates a much higher level of health and vitality and fasting incorrectly inevitably is harmful and dangerous. Why take the chance of harming yourself? Get experienced supervision with someone that you know or resonate with and you will be very glad you did.

Hello!  As far as I know, there are only 4 other "real" fasting centers in the world, including Goldhamer's, Burton's, John Fielder's, and Andre in S. Africa.  I don't know Cinque personally but do know that he has few if any people fasting most of the time.  There are others out there who offer fasting but have little real experience and are not places I would ever recommend going as fasting is an art and it requires a significant amount of experience to really understand what's happening. Most people could do 3-4 fasts of 21 days or more and never need to do that again, but would most certainly benefit from doing occasional short fasts of a week or less.  I've done 7 or 8 longer fasts and have fasted for a week roughly 30 times.   Goldhamer's approach is not likely to result in a high level of health as in a one-week fast the body isn't even fully into the deepest part of the process.  And eating cooked food as he does every day means that he's not likely to even keep up with the toxins in his body from one year to the next.

  If on the other hand, we fast 3-4 times for 3-6 weeks

and continue making optimal diet and lifestyle choices from that point on, we will likely Never need to fast again, except for the occasional "maintenance fast" to deal with any accumulation of toxic matter from air pollution and other sources we can't control.  

It is indeed the water fasting. The body is self-healing and self-cleansing and the 2016 Nobel Prize in medicine went to a Japanese MD who proved the efficacy of cleansing/healing the body via fasting. of course making excellent choices after the fast is critical to maintain the benefits, but nothing allows the body to cleanse or heal faster than a properly-conducted, long-enough, water-only fast.

382 days fast

A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around 30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and attending as an out-patient. Responses to glucose and tolbutamide tolerance tests remained normal. The hyperglycaemic response to glucagon was reduced and latterly absent, but promptly returned to normal during carbohydrate refeeding. After an initial decrease was corrected, plasma potassium levels remained normal without supplementation. A temporary period of hypercalcaemia occurred towards the end of the fast. Decreased plasma magnesium concentrations were a consistent feature from the first month onwards. After 100 days of fasting there was a marked and persistent increase in the excretion of urinary cations and inorganic phosphate, which until then had been minimal. These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects.

60 days scurvy vit c if not consumed except while fasting

Thanks for your comments.  There are many times more b12 being produced in the body every day than we need.  The issue in almost every case is that typically toxic, dehydrated, and poorly-functioning bodies are Not able to access what is already there.  I'll continue to eat well and thrive.

Hi Stefano, vitamin D is a serious issue for many people living in places where there's far less sunshine than we need to meet the body's needs as well as possible.    There are many problems with supplementing, including the creation of a dependence on the "crutch," and the fact that there are other things we need from sunlight besides vitamin D which supplementing cannot give you.  The best strategy is to get to where you can get direct sunlight,and often this can be done right where you are by exposing yourself whenever the sun is shining.  In a case where it is simply not feasible to get enough sunlight, vitamin d sups make sense...but only temporarily until the underlying condition can be handled...in this case, finding a way to get more sunlight.

Mindful Movement I never actually recommend restricting calories MM. Rather, I encourage people to fast and eat optimally and then to simply listen to the body as it inevitably becomes more efficient and needs less food. Ideally, by getting the body truly clean and efficient in advance of a trip like yours, meeting your (new lower) caloric needs would be much easier.

The longest fast I've supervised was 4.5 months. Almost everyone can go 6-8 weeks if they do it properly and have experienced guidance.

While extended fasts may seem extreme to you and many others, they are in fact the single most beneficial thing that most people could do, if done properly. As for having our "muscles eaten up," not exactly. After some years of being fatigued, Remo came in with relatively little muscle mass and to be sure, it was reduced by fasting. As for me, my body fat is low and muscle mass is excellent. I am lean and leaner is definitely healthier.

Dr alec burton

1) Isn’t fasting the same as starving?

No. When we fast, that is drink water only, our bodies use non-vital tissue as fuel to live on. Thus things like fat, cysts, excess fluid, soft tumours, mucous etc are broken down by the body & used as food & fuel, the unused material being excreted by the body through any one of the 10 apertures.
This process is known as autolysis (auto = self, lysis= eat). We are then living off our reserves & the body is rejuvenating itself  & detoxifying.
If we keep fasting beyond our reserves then starvation occurs, although this stage takes many weeks before it occurs. I have fasted personally 4 weeks & many of my patients over the years have also fasted this long.
2) Why are there different lengths of fasts?

There are 2 different categories of illness- acute & chronic. Acute sickness is where we experience things like fever, headache, muscle aches & pains, anorexia (loss of hunger), sweating & shivering, vomiting, diarrhoea, prostration & extreme discomfort. Influenza is a common acute illness. There are many labels we give them. The supposed infectious illnesses are here included- measles, chickenpox, mumps, cholera, typhoid etc.
These crises are not to be feared. They are reparatory in nature, allowing the body to rid itself of its toxic load. They are not meant to work against us but are in fact working for us!
With these conditions it is critical that the person fasts & rests. Medication is working against the wisdom of the body. It is particularly dangerous to suppress the fever- this is where most problems get worse. My wife Dawn & I recall four years ago while living in Borneo a young 7 year old boy was taken to the doctor with what they locally call ‘high fever’. Medication to lower it was prescribed & the fever dropped. Next day the fever recurred, its job not done, only this time the fever was higher. More medication was given. The spiking of the fever went for 5 days with each rise in temperature aggressively medicated. Tragically the boy died on the sixth day. The reason given by the doctor, quite wrongly, was the fever.
The fever was trying to kill off the virus, but wasn’t allowed to do its job because of the continual suppression of it by drugs.
That child had no history of any health problems & was before that a vigorous & robust native child.
Indeed, in March, 2011, the American Academy of Pediatricians revised its stance on fever & advised that parents NOT routinely stop their children’s fevers.
A similar story came out of Vietnam in December 2005. A thirteen year old girl was admitted to hospital with Bird Flu. Immediately she was given Tamiflu & fever- lowering drugs. These were given every day, twice a day for five daysuntil she also tragically passed away, leading some researchers to cast doubt on whether Tamiflu should be the drug of choice in Avian influenza ( Bird Flu). They missed the point! No drugs should have been given, especially to force the fever down.
A few days of fasting & complete rest were what was needed to enable the body to eliminate what was ailing it.
The second category is chronic disease, which is longer term. This is where the body has given up the effort to eliminate the irritating internal material & instead has adapted to the internal toxaemia. In the process of adaptation the body then slowly gets worse, with diminished function & increasing deformity & pathology. Thus the diseases of arthritis, heart disease, kidney disease, auto-immune illnesses & many other diseases slowly ruin the patient’s life, all the while being suppressed by drugs.
In these situations longer fasts are needed. Generally between 2-5 weeks is the time frame, depending on many factors.

3) With a longer fast, can I fast at home?

It is not recommended. This is where you need a very experienced practitioner to supervise the fast & the breaking of it. This can not be emphasised strongly enough.

4) Do you get hungry during a fast?

Surprisingly no. The first 2-3 days maybe but after that you don’t miss food at all.

5) Do you feel weak?

Mostly yes. Your body conserves energy as far as possible. This is then used to clean house.

6) My stomach plays up when I don’t eat. Shouldn’t I avoid fasting?

Again, no. A fast will quickly allow your intestinal tract to recover its normal function. In healthy individuals, no discomfort like stomach cramping, headaches, dizziness etc should occur if meals are missed or delayed. These are not normal symptoms- they are signs something is abnormal. It’s what is called “toxic hunger”.
True hunger is not a stomach sensation. It is a mouth sensation- where one salivates when truly hungry.

7) I heard that you can feel unwell in the first few days of a fast. Is this true?
It is common to experience symptoms & signs of elimination, especially during the early stages of the fast. Headaches, muscle aches, vomiting or diarrhoea may occur although some people never experience them. I’ve found that in people who take social drugs regularly- tea, coffee, alcohol & tobacco- they often suffer during the early stages, not because of fasting but because of withdrawal.

8) How do you break the fast?
On small quantities of diluted fruit juice or watery fruit itself, depending on how long you fast. It is very important to not overeat when breaking a fast, particularly a long one.

9) Can you work when you fast?
No. Rest is needed for the body to conserve its energy for eliminating & healing.

10) What about exercise?
No. Normal movement is enough. Exercise will come later when health has been restored.

11) Do you take any supplements when fasting?
No. Nothing but water, as indicated by thirst.

12) Why isn’t Fasting used in conventional health establishments, such as hospitals?
A good question. If it was used, there would be a complete revolution in the health industry. Medical doctors are not trained in nutrition, let alone fasting. They do not understand it, have never seen the rejuvenating effects that come from fasting & have never seen it used as a means of overcoming disease.
Dr Burton has had medical doctors come to him after seeing one of their patients or relatives fast back to health from serious illnesses, (which have no medical cure), & actually request that he explain the rationale behind fasting’s consistent efficacy.
I had one doctor send me a patient of his who had life-threatening asthma, which was no longer responding to the barrage of inhaled corticosteroids & other strong drugs. After a lengthy fast followed by a plant-based diet, this woman made a fantastic recovery. She was able to go off all medications, to the absolute surprise of the referring doctor. He had no idea what the fast was about, but rang me to thank me for curing his patient. I explained that fasting was simply doing nothing intelligently & that it was not a cure in the sense he was referring to. The body healed itself. He then stated that most of his patients would be better off if they followed this way. I never heard from him again.
The other reason that it will never become mainstream is that there is no money to be made from people drinking plain water & getting well. Without being cynical, the power & influence the drug companies (Big Pharma) have over the medical training that doctors undergo at University, their hold over the governments & media is unbreakable. You must seize the initiative individually & not rely on conventional opinion. At the present time there are an increasing number of professionals who are themselves speaking out about the uncontrolled power of the drug companies & the needless suffering because drug use is so rampant & the many side-effects so deadly.
A highly recommended book on this is by Dr Ray Strand, called ‘Death by Prescription’.

13) What illnesses have you personally seen recover through fasting?
Wow, there are so many but here are some that come quickly to mind.
Lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, ulcerative colitis, crohns disease, severe & recurrent tonsillitis/appendicitis, hypertension, angina, anaemia, ulcers anywhere in or on the body, pneumonia, bronchitis, nephritis, Bells Palsy ( trigeminal neuralgia), chronic migraines, asthma, IBS ( irritable bowel syndrome), CFS ( chronic fatigue syndrome), depression, infertility in both men & women, eczema & psoriasis, endometriosis, gall stones, bladder & kidney stones are just some. Plus there have been many people who have been extremely unwell but whose conditions defied diagnosis who have fasted their way back to robust health.

14) What if I can’t fast for reasons of time or whatever?
If you have an acute illness, you will be off work or school anyway so just do not eat for a couple of days. That’s easy. If however you have a chronic illness & you cannot fast then consult with a practitioner very conversant with the subject of Natural Hygiene, & be prepared to make changes in your diet & other areas. The results will be worthwhile, to be sure.

15) Where can I find out more about fasting?
As this is a subject that you won’t be hearing a lot about in the media, it would be worthwhile to explore this topic more deeply.
We do run seminars which cover this fascinating & life-saving subject.
It is included in the  Advanced Health Seminar, which is next presented in April, 2011.
We also have the priviledge of having the world’s foremost expert on natural hygiene (health) & fasting, Dr Alec Burton, agree to talk again on this subject in April, 2011.
The following books & resources are excellent sources of accurate information about fasting:
Fasting Can Save Your Life by Herbert Shelton;
Fasting for Renewal of Life by Herbert Shelton;
Fasting & Eating for Health by Joel Fuhrman;

lore lockman continued

Absolutely Not! While people may fast this way, this is absurd and harmful to the body. Fasting is about resting as completely as possible. If one is active while fasting, he is not liberating energy for the body to use to cleanse and heal. And as his caloric demands increase, the body will consume more muscle and less fat as muscle is the more efficient source of fuel. One cannot fast properly while working.

Hello!  As far as I know, there are only 4 other "real" fasting centers in the world, including Goldhamer's, Burton's, John Fielder's, and Andre in S. Africa.  I don't know Cinque personally but do know that he has few if any people fasting most of the time.  There are others out there who offer fasting but have little real experience and are not places I would ever recommend going as fasting is an art and it requires a significant amount of experience to really understand what's happening. Most people could do 3-4 fasts of 21 days or more and never need to do that again, but would most certainly benefit from doing occasional short fasts of a week or less.  I've done 7 or 8 longer fasts and have fasted for a week roughly 30 times.   Goldhamer's approach is not likely to result in a high level of health as in a one-week fast the body isn't even fully into the deepest part of the process.  And eating cooked food as he does every day means that he's not likely to even keep up with the toxins in his body from one year to the next.   If on the other hand, we fast 3-4 times for 3-6 weeks and continue making optimal diet and lifestyle choices from that point on, we will likely Never need to fast again, except for the occasional "maintenance fast" to deal with any accumulation of toxic matter from air pollution and other sources we can't control.   I hope that this helps!  

No one is forced to fast and of course the choices one makes after fasting determine their long-term success. No one is suggesting that fasting alone will allow one to maintain an amazing level of health. It most certainly will not. My clients aren't just sane, they're generally far more intelligent than average. Unfortunately for the average person, sanity alone doesn't allow one to make the best choices. One must be sane and must also have the best information. And frequently in nature, one-size does indeed fit all. One of the few things that every animal species has in common is their propensity to fast when either sick-enough or badly-enough injured. Fasting provides the body -- every body -- with the optimal conditions to cleanse and heal and I don't know of a single time when this isn't beneficial or necessary. And while cannabis oil may kill the cancer, the cancer is Not the problem but rather just a symptom of the problem. Every body develops cancer cells every day. Healthy-enough bodies destroy those cancer cells as they form. A tumor is simply evidence that the body is severely toxic and out-of-balance. Killing or removing the cancer cells whether via radiation, chemo, surgery, or CBD oil in no way changes the underlying conditions of the body, except with the first three, to make the body weaker and more incapable of defending itself. Whether or not CBD oil shares this issue or not I don't know. But I Do know that eliminating the tumor does Not mean that the body is healthy, and it is foolish to pretend or assume otherwise. So whether one chooses to eliminate the tumor using any of the above methods or not, they would be well-served to actually give the body the chance to truly cleanse and heal itself to eliminate the underlying issue of toxicity and imbalance. Failure to do means that the cancer is likely to return...which is why this is exactly what happens so often.

about Herbert Shelton and tc fry by john rose

<<<1. How long does he recommend doing a fast for?>>>

Shelton always said that the biggest mistake people made when it came to fasting was not fasting long enough or till completion, but no one, including Shelton who supervised over 50,000 Fasts, can give a blanket statement as it depends on each person’s individual circumstances.

Here are some of my notes regarding how long we should fast according to Herbert Shelton:

"I rarely tell anybody that he needs a long fast. I tell him instead that we will be guided by developments." p. 128 "Fasting For Renewal of life"

"Let developments determine the length of the fast. p. 53 "Fasting Can Save Your Life"

"There are a thousand reasons for ending the fast short of its natural termination. In many instances the results of these short fasts are disappointing. In some instances the premature breaking is the difference between complete success and partial failure.

A job only half done is not done at all. Certainly health is worth a little added effort. Missing a few more meals is a small price to pay for the results that can accrue to the individual willing to make the effort required." p. 64 "Fasting Can Save Your Life"

"How long should the underweight individual fast to secure improvement in his nutritional processes? There is no absolute undeviating answer. Each case is different as the condition of each patient is different. In some cases a fast of ten days to two weeks will prove adequate. In others much longer fasts may be called for. A short fast is rarely enough to secure the correction of the defects of the nutritional processes needed to enable the chronically underweight person to gain weight. Here, as elsewhere, the fast should be taken under competent supervision and the judgment of the supervisor respected." p. 80 "Fasting Can Save Your Life"

"It is possible to carry a fast too far. It is possible to break it prematurely. In the first case the patient is damaged, in the second he fails to receive the legitimately expected results." p. 230 "The Science and Fine Art of Fasting"

"Thousands of sufferers attempt to do with a fast of two to four days or more. 'I tried fasting and it did not help me,' they say. Playing around with short fasts and semi-fasts will seldom give satisfactory results. Fast for results or forget it...this is my advice." p. 237 "The Science and Fine Art of Fasting"

<<< 2. How often does he recommend doing a fast?>>>

Shelton’s Logical Rule was to “Fast when there is a need for it.”

3. What does he recommend in the way of what to ingest? Water only? Juice and water only??

NEVER combine a Juice Fast with a Water Fast and remember, Water Fasting is no longer safe to do with all of the Chemicals in our Environment, which end up in us, unless we are free of those Chemicals.

<<< "By 1972, at the age of 77, he was completely bedridden from a degenerative neuro-muscular disease believed to be Parkinson's disease.[2] He died thirteen years later, unable to improve his own health despite many attempts. His contemporaries were shocked to see him unable to walk, speak normally, or write.">>>

Yes, Shelton understood the Science of Healing, but like most Natural Hygienists, he failed to understand the Art of Healing. The Science of Healing works without the Art in about 90% of the cases, which explains why some people do NOT get well when they just Remove the Primary Causes. I explain this a little more in my response to BJ below.

<<< That's why you shouldn't believe everything you read in books or on the internet about health, or when people give you simplistic solutions to complex physical problems.>>>

There really is a very SIMPLE Solution to about 90% what some people think are COMPLEX Problems, but the other 10% can be very Complicated!!! To illustrate my point and to follow up on Shelton’s Health Problems, here is an exchange between me and some guy named Tim on the Comments section from a Dr. Mercola Article.

TimM

The philosophy of Natural Hygiene seems to purport that adhering to its principles will transform one into a perfect specimen of health. But that wasn't the case with its most ardent proponents. I saw some pictures of Herbert Shelton in his later years and his teeth were in terrible shape. Furthermore, as I mentioned in another comment on this article, Shelton suffered from a very debilitating neuromuscular disease for the last 13 years of his life. T.C. Fry, another proponent of Natural Hygiene, also suffered with serious health problems before dying at age 70. Fry was very extreme in his views in that he practiced and advocated fruitarianism--eating nothing but fruit! Fry's autopsy report stated that he died of a coronary embolism and that he had atherosclerotic plaques in his legs.

JohnRose

TimM, most if not all Natural Hygienists do NOT understand the Ripple Effect and do NOT make allowances for any Temporary Impairment or Permanent Damage that we might have. Natural Hygienists do, however, understand the Law of Cause & Effect and do so much better than everyone else, but they don’t know that there is a way to screw up the Law of Cause & Effect and that is to not consider the Ripple Effect.

So Shelton and Fry suffered and died primarily because they did NOT understand the Ripple Effect and did NOT make any allowances for their DHA and B12 deficiencies, respectively. And then, just about everyone else doesn’t understand that we have 2 Groups of Needs that we must Satisfy - one is based on the Law of Cause & Effect and the other is based on the Ripple Effect and many of us use our Needs based on the Ripple Effect to discount the importance of our Needs based on the Law of Cause & Effect. In other words, we don’t think that our Needs based on the Law of Cause & Effect are True because they don’t Satisfy our Needs based on the Ripple Effect.

Shelton and Fry also overworked and failed to get enough sleep, which everyone knows is 1 of our most important Essential Needs and neither of them were raised on this diet nor were they able to adhere 100% to it. Shelton was also kicked in the mouth in 1945 by his stallion, which was why his teeth were bad and Fry was shot in the head, so there are lots of other factors that contributed to their longevity or lack of.

The point here is to NOT be Dogmatic like most Natural Hygienists and be open to Modifying the Diet that we are Biologically Adapted to Eat (based on the Law of Cause & Effect) with the inclusion of Supplements or Animal Products if needed (based on the Ripple Effect).

Martix, you nailed it - there is more confusion and ignorance regarding what to eat than any other subject!

Peace and Love..........John

DHA

Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is an omega-3 fatty acid that is a primary structural component of the human brain, cerebral cortex, skin, and retina. It can be synthesized from alpha-linolenic acid or obtained directly from maternal milk (breast milk), fish oil, or algae oil.

When he was developing his Parkinsonian tremors, I ordered blood tests and was shocked to see his blood results showing almost a zero DHA level on his fatty acid test, in spite of adequate ALA consumption from nuts and seeds eaten daily. I had never seen a DHA level that low before. Since that time I have drawn DHA blood levels on other patients with Parkinson's and also found very low DHA levels. 

Was it a coincidence, that these leaders in the natural food, vegetarian movement, who ate a very healthy vegan diet and no junk food would both develop Parkinson's? I thought to myself--could it be that deficiencies in DHA predispose one to Parkinson's? Do men have worse ability to convert short chain omega-3 into long chain DHA? Is that why Parkinson's affects more men than women? Is there evidence to suggest that DHA deficiencies lead to later life neurologic problems? Are there primate studies to show DHA deficiencies in monkeys leads to Parkinson's? The answer to all of these questions is a resounding, yes.

Another conclusion drawn from this finding is that a brain containing a lot of omega-6 fatty acids may create a fertile ground for developing Parkinson's disease. These fatty acids, are abundant in foods rich in either vegetable oil or animal fat, which we already know contribute negatively to our health.

TC Fry (1926 – 1996)- another long-term Natural Hygienist, raw foodest, vegetarian-fruitarian, advocated you did not need supplements as food contained all that we need. He died of an atherosclerotic-related embolism at the age of 70. I saw his hospital record at his death and reviewed his blood work drawn immediately prior to his death. It was quite revealing. He had severe B12, deficiency, so long-standing that his B12 levels were almost undetectable and the lowest I have ever seen. It is kind of interesting reading internet interpretations of why he died, such as "did not practice what he preached," "cheated on his diet," "too much sex," "ozone treatments for his vascular disease". He died prematurely simply because long-standing B12 deficiency leads to extremely high homocysteine levels, which can cause intra-vascular inflammation and cardiovascular disease. 

<<<that sounds like a chronic disease. While I think fasting can help in many cases, it is not a cure-all tool that makes people live forever. I myself don't practice it but I am sure it helps somehow>>>

Panchito, Shelton's condition had to do with a DHA Deficiency and Fasting is NOT a Solution for this type of Deficiency.

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Leaders of the Vegan Movement Develop Parkinson's:
Case Studies

Herbert Shelton (1895 – 1985) a naturopath and chiropractor and the influential founder of the American Natural Hygiene Society and Nature Cure movement in America and prolific health writer advocated a natural food vegetarian diet of mostly raw fruits, vegetables and nuts. I read all of his highly motivating books, newsletters and writings in my teens. He lived in Texas, was physically fit, grew lots of his own food and ate carefully and fasted periodically. Of course he did not get cancer, he did not get heart disease, but he died of Parkinson's disease and was so severely affected by the age of 78 that even walking was difficult. In 1973 when I met him he was already severely hunched over and had a difficult time walking and caring for himself. Though he lived many years with this significant disability, the quality of his later years was extremely poor.

Prominent Vegetarian and Health Advocate (1921-2008) – this leader in the natural health movement and a personal friend to me also suffered from and eventually died from a fall related to his Parkinson's disease. During his young adult life he embarked on the path of healthy living and vegetarianism. A follower of Shelton's works, he operated a large health food store, one of the first to sell organic fruits and vegetables in America; he became a leader in the health food industry. Of course he was not at risk of cancer or heart disease with his excellent diet, but he developed Parkinson's which limited the quality of his later years.

When he was developing his Parkinsonian tremors, I ordered blood tests and was shocked to see his blood results showing almost a zero DHA level on his fatty acid test, in spite of adequate ALA consumption from nuts and seeds eaten daily. I had never seen a DHA level that low before. Since that time I have drawn DHA blood levels on other patients with Parkinson's and also found very low DHA levels.

Was it a coincidence, that these leaders in the natural food, vegetarian movement, who ate a very healthy vegan diet and no junk food would both develop Parkinson's? I thought to myself--could it be that deficiencies in DHA predispose one to Parkinson's? Do men have worse ability to convert short chain omega-3 into long chain DHA? Is that why Parkinson's affects more men than women? Is there evidence to suggest that DHA deficiencies lead to later life neurologic problems? Are there primate studies to show DHA deficiencies in monkeys leads to Parkinson's? The answer to all of these questions is a resounding, yes.

More than 1 million Americans suffer from Parkinson's Disease (PD), a neurodegenerative disease that is clinically characterized by resting tremor, muscular rigidity, gait problems and impaired ability to initiate movements. Recent scientific findings show diets rich in omega-3 fatty acids, in particular DHA (docosahexaenoic acid), have a protective effect on this type of neurodegenerative disease. Studies in animals clearly show that supplementation of DHA can alter brain DHA concentrations and thereby modify brain functions leading to reduced risk of neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.1

A recent study examined mice which were exposed to two diets; one group was fed a diet with DHA and other omega-3 fatty acids; while the other group was given ordinary food, lacking DHA. After a period of time they were given a dose of a chemical that causes the same damage to the brain as Parkinson's disease. The mice on the DHA diet seemed to be immune to the effects of the chemical, whereas the mice that ate ordinary food developed symptoms of the disease.

According to the researchers, among the mice that had been given omega-3 supplementation - in particular DHA - omega-3 fatty acids replaced the omega-6 fatty acids in their brains. Due to the fact that concentrations of other omega-3s (LNA and EPA) had maintained levels in both groups of mice, the researchers suggested that the protective effect against Parkinson's indeed came from DHA.2

Another conclusion drawn from this finding is that a brain containing a lot of omega-6 fatty acids may create a fertile ground for developing Parkinson's disease. These fatty acids, are abundant in foods rich in either vegetable oil or animal fat, which we already know contribute negatively to our health.

Another study observed the effect of DHA on monkeys treated with MPTP, a drug that induces Parkinson's like symptoms, and the results suggested that DHA can reduce the severity of, or delay the development of these drug-induced symptoms and therefore can offer therapeutic benefits in the treatment of Parkinson's. 3

Overall, this research provides evidence that DHA deficiencies can leave us vulnerable to developing diseases like Parkinson's and Alheizmer's. If you are a nutritarian, flexitarain, vegan, or vegetarian and you are not taking DHA or confirming your levels are adequate with blood work you are being negligent, and potentially increasing your risk of such a disease in later life. All the good efforts on proper nutrition can be undone with one deficiency such as Vitamin D, B12, or DHA. I see this every week in my practice.

History Repeats Itself

Some authors, doctors and leaders of the vegan movement today are heavily biased towards the idea of not needing these supplements. They simply give inadequate nutritional advice and in spite of all the science they still pooh-pooh taking long-chain omega-3 DHA. They are risking the quality of their own lives and that of their followers.

Likewise, I have seen so many vegan-promoting doctors and authors negate the need for taking B12, as well as dismiss the need to take vitamin D, stating minimal sunshine is enough. They also deny the need for omega-3 supplementation. There is so much scientific literature available today pointing to the contrary, however, this irresponsible information keeps radiating from the podium of lecture halls.

It reminds me of all the statements in the past, that the need for B12 was exaggerated and that the small amount of bacteria on organic produce or in seaweed was sufficient.

TC Fry (1926 – 1996)- another long-term Natural Hygienist, raw foodest, vegetarian-fruitarian, advocated you did not need supplements as food contained all that we need. He died of an atherosclerotic-related embolism at the age of 70. I saw his hospital record at his death and reviewed his blood work drawn immediately prior to his death. It was quite revealing. He had severe B12, deficiency, so long-standing that his B12 levels were almost undetectable and the lowest I have ever seen. It is kind of interesting reading internet interpretations of why he died, such as "did not practice what he preached," "cheated on his diet," "too much sex," "ozone treatments for his vascular disease". He died prematurely simply because long-standing B12 deficiency leads to extremely high homocysteine levels, which can cause intra-vascular inflammation and cardiovascular disease.

I have seen this over and over again in vegans not supplementing with B12. I even had a patient with extremely severe hyper-homocysteinemia and vascular disease who flew in to see me from Scandinavia. When I diagnosed the problem and discussed how to solve it, she still refused to take the B12 supplements, stating that Dr. Shelton and Dr. Vetrano said that nature provided us with all that we need in natural plant foods. She flew home angry that I disagreed. She died soon after.

Don't be fooled into thinking that by merely eating right you are doing all you can do to protect your health. People must be made aware that by neglecting to take the supplements that are essential to assuring nutritional excellence, they are putting themselves in harm's way. Specifically, not taking DHA, B12 and vitamin D can be potentially dangerous and even life threatening.

Peace and Love..........John