101. Blindness, weakness and sharpness are conditions of the eye, due merely to its fitness or defectiveness; so are deafness, dumbness, etc., of the ear and so forth – but never of the Atman, the Knower.
Compilation of Vivekchudamani, Avadhuta Gita, Ashtavakra Gita, Aporakshanubhuti, Atma Bodha, various Upanishads, Teachings of Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna Paramahansa and much more.
Friday, 31 December 2021
Vivekchudamani-2
Vivekchudamani -1
100. This subtle body is the instrument for all activities of the Atman, who is Knowledge Absolute, like the adze and other tools of a carpenter. Therefore this Atman is perfectly unattached.
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Talks with Ramana 15
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M.: First surrender and see. The doubts arise because of the absence of surrender.
Acquire strength by surrender and then your surroundings will be found to have improved to the degree of strength acquired by you.
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You can entertain these thoughts or relinquish them. The former is bondage and the latter is release.
D.: It is not quite clear to me.
M.: You must exist in order that you may think.
You may think these thoughts or other thoughts.
The thoughts change but not you.
Let go the passing thoughts and hold on to the unchanging Self.
The thoughts form your bondage. If they are given up, there is release.
The bondage is not external. So no external remedy need be sought for release.
It is within your competence to think and thus to get bound or to cease thinking and thus be free.
D.: But it is not easy to remain without thinking.
M.: You need not cease thinking.
Only think of the root of the thoughts; seek it and find it.
The Self shines by itself.
When that is found the thoughts cease of their own accord. That is freedom from bondage.
D.: Yes. I understand it now. I have learnt it now. Is a Guru necessary?
M.: So long as you consider yourself as an individual,
a Guru is necessary
to show to you that you are not bound by limitations and that your nature is to be free from limitations.
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The Teachings of Sri Ramana Bhagavan.
(1) That man who is active in the world and yet remains desireless, without losing sight of his own essential nature, is alone a true man.
This was in answer to the Swami who wanted to retire into a cave for practising meditation.
(2) He asked about sanyas. Should not a man renounce everything in order that he might get Liberation?
M.: Even better than the man who thinks “I have renounced everything” is the one who does his duty but does not think “I do this” or “I am the doer”.
Even a sannyasi who thinks “I am a sannyasi” cannot be a true sanyasi, whereas a householder who does not think “I am a householder” is truly a sannyasi.
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Annamalai asked:
Namadev, Tukaram, Tulsidas and others are said to have seen Maha Vishnu. How did they see Him?
M.: In what manner? Just in the same manner as you see me now and I see you here. They would also have seen Vishnu in this way only.
(He records that, on hearing it, his hairs stood on end and an intense joy overpowered him.)
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Talk 561.
D.: What is svarupa (form) and arupa (formless) of the mind?
M.: When you wake up from sleep a light appears, that is the light of the Self passing through Mahat tattva. It is called cosmic consciousness. That is arupa.
The light falls on the ego and is reflected therefrom.
Then the body and the world are seen. This mind is svarupa. The objects appear in the light of this reflected consciousness. This light is called jyoti.
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M.: The experience is the same. Every person experiences the Self consciously or unconsciously. The ajnani’s experience is clouded by his latencies whereas the jnani’s is not so. The jnani’s experience of the Self is therefore distinct and permanent.
A practiser may by long practice gain a glimpse of the Reality. This experience may be vivid for the time being. And yet he will be distracted by the old vasanas and so his experience will not avail him.
Such a man must continue his manana and nididhyasana so that all the obstacles may be destroyed. He will then be able to remain permanently in the Real State.
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M.: A refractory bull is lured to the stall by means of grass. Similarly the mind must be lured by good thoughts.
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M.: The Bhagavad Gita says:
Sanaissanairuparamet (The mind must gradually be brought to a standstill);
Atma samstham manah krtva (making the mind inhere in the Self);
Abhyasa-vairagyabhyam (by practice and dispassion).
Practice is necessary. Progress will be slow.
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D.: What is Atma sakshatkara (Self-Realisation)?
M.: You are the Atma (Self) and that sakshat (here and now) also.
Where is the place for kara (accomplishment) in it?
This question shows that you think you are the non-Self.
Or you think that there are two selves, the one to realise the other.
It is absurd. That you identify yourself with the gross body lies at the root of this question. Well, this question arises now. Did it arise in your sleep? Did you not exist then? Certainly you did exist in sleep. What is the difference between these two states that the question should arise now but not in sleep? Now you think that you are the body. You see things around you and you want to see the Self in a similar manner. Such is the force of habit. The senses are mere instruments of perception. You are the seer. Remain as the seer only. What else is there to see? Such is the state in deep sleep.
Therefore this question does not arise then.
Atma sakshatkara (Self-Realisation) is thus only anatma nirasana (giving up the non-Self).
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D.: Is yoga necessary?
M.: It is a sadhana. It will not be necessary after jnana is attained.
All the sadhanas are called yogas, e.g., Karma yoga; Bhakti yoga; Jnana yoga; Ashtanga yoga.
What is yoga? Yoga means ‘union’.
Yoga is possible only when there is ‘viyoga’ (separation).
The person is now under the delusion of viyoga.
This delusion must be removed.
The method of removing it is called yoga.
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Talk 586.
An Andhra visitor asked: How is one to be quiet? It is so difficult to be so. Should we practise yoga for it? Or is there any other means for it?
M.: What is not difficult looks difficult. A man is prone to wander about. He is told to stay quiet at home, but finds it difficult to do so because he wants to wander about.
D.: Is there any particular upasana which is more efficacious than others?
M.: All upasanas are equally efficacious. But each one takes easily to one kind of upasana which suits his previous vasanas.
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D.: How does the name help Realisation?
M.: The original name is always going on spontaneously without any effort on the part of the individual. That name is aham - ‘I’.
But when it becomes manifest it manifests as ahamkara - the ego. The oral repetition of nama leads one to mental repetition which finally resolves itself into the eternal vibration.
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They pray to God and finish with “Thy Will be done!”
If His Will be done why do they pray at all?
It is true that the Divine Will prevails at all times and under all circumstances.
The individuals cannot act of their own accord.
Recognise the force of the Divine Will and keep quiet.
Each one is looked after by God. He has created all. You are one among 2,000 millions. When He looks after so many will He omit you?
Even common sense dictates that one should abide by His Will.
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Talk 596.
A visitor asked: Sri Bhagavan said last night that God is guiding us. Then why should we make an effort to do anything?
M.: Who asks you to do so? If there was that faith in the guidance of God this question would not have arisen.
D.: The fact is that God guides us. Then what is the use of these instructions to people?
M.: They are for those who seek instructions.
If you are firm in your belief in the guidance of God, stick to it, and do not concern yourself with what happens around you.
Furthermore, there may be happiness or misery. Be equally indifferent to both and abide in the faith of God. That will be so only when one’s faith is strong that God looks after all of us.
Mr. Chopra asked: “How shall I secure that firm faith?”
M.: Exactly. It is for such as these who want instructions. There are persons who seek freedom from misery.
They are told that God guides all and so there need not be any concern about what happens.
If they are of the best type they at once believe it and firmly abide by faith in God.
But there are others who are not so easily convinced of the truth of the bare statement.
They ask: “Who is God? What is His nature? Where is He? How can He be realised?” and so on.
In order to satisfy them intellectual discussion is found necessary.
Statements are made, their pros and cons are argued, and the truth is thus made clear to the intellect.
When the matter is understood intellectually the earnest seeker begins to apply it practically.
He argues at every moment, “For whom are these thoughts? Who am I?” and so forth, until he is well-established in the conviction that a Higher Power guides us.
That is firmness of faith.
Then all his doubts are cleared and he needs no further instructions.
D.: We also have faith in God.
M.: If it had been firm no questions would have arisen. The person will remain perfectly happy in his Faith in the Omnipotent.
D.: Is the enquiry into the Self the same as the above mentioned faith?
M.: The enquiry into the Self is inclusive of all, faith, devotion, jnana, yoga and all.
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D.: A man sometimes finds that the physical body does not permit steady meditation. Should he practise yoga for training the body for the purpose?
M.: It is according to one’s samskaras (predispositions). One man will practise hatha yoga for curing his bodily ills; another man will trust to God to cure them; a third man will use his will-power for it and a fourth man may be totally indifferent to them. But all of them will persist in meditation.
The quest for the Self is the essential factor and all the rest are mere accessories.
A man may have mastered the Vedanta philosophy and yet remain unable to control his thoughts.
He may have a predisposition (purva samskara) which takes him to practise hatha yoga.
He will believe that the mind can be controlled only by yoga and so he will practise it.
D.: What is most suitable for gaining facilities for steady dhyana?
M.: It depends on one’s samskara. One may find hatha yoga suitable and another man nama japa, and so on. The essential point is the atma-vichara - enquiry into the Self.
D.: Is it enough if I spend some time in the mornings and some time in the evenings for this atma-vichara? Or should I do it always - say, even when I am writing or walking?
M.: Now what is your real nature? Is it writing, walking, or being? The one unalterable reality is Being.
Until you realise that state of pure being you should pursue the enquiry.
If once you are established in it there will be no further worry. No one will enquire into the source of thoughts unless thoughts arise. So long as you think “I am walking,” “I am writing,” enquire who does it. These actions will however go on when one is firmly established in the Self. Does a man always say, “I am a man, I am a man, I am a man,” every moment of his life? He does not say so and yet all his actions are going on.
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D.: Is an intellectual understanding of the Truth necessary?
M.: Yes. Otherwise why does not the person realise God or the Self at once?
i.e. As soon as he is told that God is all or the Self is all?
That shows some wavering on his part.
He must argue with himself and gradually convince himself of the Truth before his faith becomes firm.
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Talk 597.
A Swiss lady, Mrs. J. C. S. Hick-Riddingh, asked:
“Does Self Realisation imply occult powers also?”
M.: The Self is the most intimate and eternal Being whereas the siddhis are foreign. The one requires effort to acquire and the other does not. The powers are sought by the mind which must be kept alert whereas the Self is realised when the mind is destroyed. The powers manifest only when there is the ego. The ego makes you aware of others and in its absence there are no others to be seen. The Self is beyond the ego and is realised after the ego is eliminated. The elimination of the ego makes one unaware of others.
How can the question of others arise and where is the use of occult powers for a Self-Realised Being? Self-Realisation may be accompanied by occult powers or it may not be. If the person had sought such powers before Realisation, he may get the powers after Realisation.
There are others who had not sought such powers and had attempted only Self-Realisation. They do not manifest such powers. These powers may also be sought and gained even after Self Realisation. But then they are used for a definite purpose, i.e. the benefit of others as in the case of Chudala. Sikhidhvaja was a pious king. His spouse was Chudala. They received instructions from a sage. The king, being busy with the administration of his kingdom, could not put the instructions into practice, whereas Chudala put them into practice and gained Self-Realisation. Consequently she appeared more charming than before. The king was struck by her growing charm and asked her about it. She said that all charm was due to the Self and he was only noting the charm of Self-Realisation in her. He said that she was silly. There were great tapasvis who could not realise the Self even after long periods of tapas and what about a silly woman who was all along in the family and in the worldly life? However, Chudala was not offended because she was firm in the Self and only wished that her husband should realise the Self and be happy. She then thought that unless she could prove her worth by manifesting some extraordinary powers he could not be convinced and she began to seek occult powers and gained them. But she did not betray them just then. Constant association with her made the king dispassionate. He began to dislike the worldly life and desired to retire into the forest for performing tapasya. So he told his wife that he wanted to leave the world for the forest. She was delighted at the development, but pretended to be very much concerned with his unkind decision. He hesitated out of consideration for her. In the meantime, his dispassion gained in force and he decided to leave home even without her consent. When the queen was sleeping one night he suddenly left the palace by stealth and retired into the forest. He was seeking some solitary spot where he could perform his tapas. When the queen woke up she did not find her husband and immediately found out by her occult powers what had really happened. She rejoiced in her husband’s determination. She called the ministers and said that the king had gone on some important business and that the administration should be carried on as efficiently as ever. She herself administered the state in the absence of the king. Eighteen years passed. She then knew that the king was fit for Self-Realisation. So she appeared to him disguised as Kumbha and so on. He then realised the Self and returned to rule the kingdom with the queen. The point is that occult powers are sought and gained for the benefit of others by Self-Realised persons also. But the sages are not deluded by the possession of such powers.
D.: Does the sage use occult powers for making others realise the Self or is the mere fact of his Self-Realisation enough for it?
M.: The force of his Self-Realisation is far more powerful than the use of all other powers. In as much as there is no ego in him, there are not others for him. What is the highest benefit that can be conferred on others? It is happiness. Happiness is born of Peace. Peace can reign only when there is no disturbance. Disturbance is due to thoughts which arise in the mind. When the mind itself is absent there will be perfect Peace. Unless a person had annihilated his mind he cannot gain peace and be happy. Unless he himself is happy he cannot bestow happiness on others. When there is no mind he cannot be aware of others. So the mere fact of his Self-Realisation is itself enough to make all others happy.
D.: Can samadhi come and go?
M.: What is samadhi? Samadhi is one’s essential nature.
How then can it come or go?
If you do not realise your essential nature, your sight remains obstructed.
What is the obstruction? Find it and remove it. So one’s efforts are meant only for the removal of obstructions which hide the true vision. The real nature remains the same.
When once it is realised it is permanent.
D.: But Mr. Brunton says that he had one hour’s samadhi. Therefore I asked the question.
M.: A practiser gains peace of mind and is happy. That peace is the result of his efforts.
But the real state must be effortless.
The effortless samadhi is the true one and the perfect state. It is permanent.
The efforts are spasmodic and so also their results.
When the real, effortless, permanent, happy nature is realised it will be found to be not inconsistent with the ordinary activities of life.
The samadhi reached after efforts looks like abstraction from the external activities. A person might be so abstracted or live freely among people without detriment to his Peace and Happiness because that is his true nature or the Self.
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Thursday, 30 December 2021
Talks with Ramana 14
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In the course of the discourse Sri Bhagavan also made a few points clearer:
Abhyasa consists in withdrawal within the Self every time you are disturbed by thought.
It is not concentration or destruction of the mind but withdrawal into the Self.
Dhyana, bhakti, japa, etc., are aids to keep out the multiplicity of thoughts. A single thought prevails which too eventually dissolves in the Self.
The questioner quoted that the mind starved of ideas amounted to realisation and asked what the experience is in that state.
He himself read out a passage from Mr. Brunton that it was indescribable. The answer was there. He again ventured out that it must be like looking through an unsilvered mirror, as contrasted with the present experience corresponding to looking on a silvered mirror.
Sri Bhagavan said it was a mirror facing another clear mirror, i.e., no reflection.
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D.: Am I to think “Who am I”?
M.: You have known that the ‘I-thought’ springs forth. Hold the ‘I' thought and find its moola (source).
D.: Please tell me the way.
M.: Is it necessary to show the way in the interior of your own home? This is within you.
D.: What do you advise me to do?
M.: Why should you do anything and what should you do? Only keep quiet. Why not do so? Each one must do according to his own state.
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M.: The Self was pointed out to you to cover the universe and also transcend it. The world cannot remain apart from the Self. If the realisation of such Self be called selfishness that selfishness must cover the world also. It is nothing contemptible.
D.: Does not the realised man continue to live just like a non-realised being?
M.: Yes, with this difference that the realised being does not see the world as being apart from the Self, he possesses true knowledge and the internal happiness of being perfect, whereas the other person sees the world apart, feels imperfection and is miserable. Otherwise their physical actions are similar.
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M.: Is the cinema screen affected by a scene of fire burning or sea rising? So it is with the Self.
The idea that I am the body or the mind is so deep that one cannot get over it even if convinced otherwise.
One experiences a dream and knows it to be unreal on waking. Waking experience is unreal in other states. So each state contradicts the others. They are therefore mere changes taking place in the seer, or phenomena appearing in the Self, which is unbroken and remains unaffected by them.
Just as the waking, dream and sleep states are phenomena, so also birth, growth and death are phenomena in the Self. which continues to be unbroken and unaffected.
Birth and death are only ideas. They pertain to the body or the mind.
The Self exists before the birth of this body and will remain after the death of this body.
So it is with the series of bodies taken up in succession. The Self is immortal. The phenomena are changeful and appear mortal. The fear of death is of the body. It is not true of the Self.
Such fear is due to ignorance.
Realisation means True Knowledge of the Perfection and Immortality of the Self.
Mortality is only an idea and cause of misery. You get rid of it by realising the Immortal nature of the Self.
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The same lady continued: If the world is only a dream, how should it be harmonised with the Eternal Reality?
M.: The harmony consists in the realisation of its inseparateness from the Self.
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M.: The spirit is differentiated from matter and is full of life. The body is animated by it.
M.: He sees the world but not as separate from the Self.
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D.: If the world is full of pain why should he continue the world-idea?
M.: Does the realised being tell you that the world is full of pain? It is the other one who feels the pain and seeks the help of the wise saying that the world is painful. Then the wise one explains from his experience that if one withdraws within the Self there is an end of pain.
The pain is felt so long as the object is different from oneself. But when the Self is found to be an undivided whole who and what is there to feel?
The realised mind is the Holy Spirit and the other mind is the home of the devil.
For the realised being, this is the Kingdom of Heaven.
“The Kingdom of Heaven is within you.” That Kingdom is here and now.
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Talk 489.
Another group of visitors was asking the method of Realisation.
In the course of a reply Sri Bhagavan said:
“Holding the mind and investigating it is advised for a beginner.
But what is the mind after all? It is a projection of the Self.
See for whom it appears and from where it rises.
The ‘I-thought’ will be found to be the root-cause.
Go deeper; the ‘I-thought’ disappears and there is an infinitely expanded ‘I-consciousness’.
That is otherwise called Hiranyagarbha.
When it puts on limitations it appears as individuals.”
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M.: If Realisation be something outside you a way can be shown consistent with the safety of the individual, his capacity. etc. Then the questions if it is realisable and, if so, in what time - will also arise. But here, Realisation is of the Self. You cannot remain without the Self. The Self is always realised. But only you do not recognise the fact.
The Realisation is now obscured by the present world idea.
The world is now seen outside you and the idea associated with it obscures your real nature. All that is needed is to overcome this ignorance and then the Self stands revealed.
No special effort is necessary to realise the Self. All efforts are for eliminating the present obscuration of the Truth.
A lady is wearing a necklace round her neck. She forgets it, imagines it to be lost and impulsively looks for it here, there and everywhere. Not finding it, she asks her friends if they have found it anywhere, until one kind friend points to her neck and tells her to feel the necklace round the neck. The seeker does so and feels happy that the necklace is found.
Again, when she meets her other friends, they ask her if her lost necklace was found. She says ‘yes’ to them, as if it were lost and later recovered. Her happiness on re-discovering it round her neck is the same as if some lost property was recovered. In fact she never lost it nor recovered it. And yet she was once miserable and now she is happy.
So also with the realisation of the Self. The Self is always realised. The Realisation is now obscured. When the veil is removed the person feels happy at rediscovering the ever-realised Self. The ever-present Realisation appears to be a new Realisation.
Now, what should one do to overcome the present ignorance.
Be eager to have the true knowledge.
As this eagerness grows the wrong knowledge diminishes in strength until it finally disappears.
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M.: There is no connection between Self-Realisation and individual predispositions (samskara). It is not always possible to live up to the ideal of the Guru.
D.: Do not passions affect Realisation?
M.: The attempt to cleanse oneself will be automatic.
D.: Is it not necessary to wash off all impurities before Realisation?
M.: Jnana will wash them clean.
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M.: Investigate and see if there is any individuality at all. Ask this question after solving this problem.
Nammalvar says: “In ignorance I took the ego to be myself; however, with right knowledge, the ego is nowhere and only you remain as the Self.”
Both monists and dualists are agreed on the necessity of Self Realisation.
Let us do it first and then discuss the side-issues. Advaita or dvaita cannot be decided on theoretical considerations alone. If the Self is realised the question will not arise at all.
Even Suka had no confidence in his brahmacharya whereas Sri Krishna was sure of his brahmacharya. Self-Realisation is designated by so many different names, satya, brahmacharya, etc. What is natural to the state of Self-Realisation forms the disciplinary course in the other state.
“I-am-the-body” idea will become extinct only on Self-Realisation. With its extinction the vasanas become extinct and all virtues will remain ever.
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D.: Samskaras are said to persist even in a Jnani.
M.: Yes. They are bhoga hetu (leading to enjoyment only) and not bandha hetu.
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D.: How can they be rendered weaker?
M.: By knowledge. You know that you are not the mind. The desires are in the mind. Such knowledge helps one to control them.
D.: But they are not controlled in our practical lives.
M.: Every time you attempt satisfaction of a desire the knowledge comes that it is better to desist. Repeated reminders of this kind will in due course weaken the desires.
What is your true nature? How can you ever forget it? Waking, dream and sleep are mere phases of the mind. They are not of the Self. You are the witness of these states. Your true nature is found in sleep.
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Satva is the light, Rajas is the subject, and Tamas is the object.
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M.: Read the life and you will understand. Jnana and ajnana are of the same degree of truth; that is, both are imagined by the ignorant; that is not true from the standpoint of the Jnani
..Again since the ajnani, though he is not the doer, yet imagines himself to be the doer and considers the actions of the body his own, he thinks the Jnani to be similarly acting when the body is active. But the Jnani himself knows the Truth and is not confounded. The state of a Jnani cannot be determined by the ajnani and therefore the question troubles only the ajnani and never does it arise for the Jnani. If he is a doer he must determine the nature of the actions. The Self cannot be the doer. Find out who is the doer and the Self is revealed.
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M.: The Jnani sees no one as an ajnani. All are only jnanis in his sight.
In the ignorant state one superimposes his ignorance on a Jnani and mistakes him for a doer.
In the state of jnana, the Jnani sees nothing separate from the Self.
The Self is all shining and only pure jnana.
So there is no ajnana in his sight. There is an illustration for this kind of allusion or super-imposition. Two friends went to sleep side by side. One of them dreamt that both of them had gone on a long journey and had strange experiences. On waking up he recapitulated them and asked his friend if it was not so. The other one simply ridiculed him saying that it was only his dream and could not affect the other. So it is with the ajnani who superimposes his illusive ideas on others.
Regarding ajnana in early youth and jnana at the present time, Sri Bhagavan said:
There is no jnana as it is commonly understood. The ordinary ideas of jnana and ajnana are only relative and false. They are not real and therefore not abiding. The true state is the non-dual Self. It is eternal and abides whether one is aware or not. It is like kanthabharana or the tenth man.
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M.: That one is not external. You mistake the body for the Guru. But the Guru does not think himself so. He is the formless Self. That is within you; he appears without only to guide you.
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M.: True. See if you are the seeker. The Self is often mistaken for the knower. Is there not the Self in deep sleep, i.e., nescience?
Therefore the Self is beyond knower and knowledge.
These doubts are in the realm of mind. To speak from this point of view, the advice is to keep the mind clear, and when rajas and tamas are wiped off, then the sattva mind alone exists. So the ‘I’ vanishes in the sattva (oonadhal kan).
Jnana chakshus does not mean that it is an organ of perception like the other sense-organs. Jnanameva chakshuh. Television, etc., are not functions of jnana chakshus. So long as there is a subject and also an object it is only relative knowledge.
Jnana lies beyond relative knowledge. It is absolute. The Self is the source of subject and object. Now ignorance prevailing, the subject is taken to be the source. The subject is the knower and forms one of the triads whose components cannot exist independent of one another. So the subject or the knower cannot be the ultimate Reality. Reality lies beyond subject and object. When realised there will be no room for doubt.
“Bhidyate hridayagranthih chhidyante sarvasamsayah.”
The heart knot is snapped; doubts are set at rest. That is called pratyaksha and not what you are thinking of.
Avidya nasa is alone Self-Realisation.
Self-Realisation is only owpacharika.
Self Realisation is only a euphemism for elimination of ignorance.
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Whereas there is duality in the waking state and desire also is there. Because of duality a desire arises for the acquisition of the object. That is the outgoing mind, which is the basis of duality and of desire. If one knows that Bliss is none other than the Self the mind becomes inward turned. If the Self is gained all the desires are fulfilled.
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M.: What is wanted for gaining the highest goal is loss of individuality.
The intellect is co-extensive with individuality.
Loss of individuality can only be after the disappearance of buddhi, good or bad.
The question therefore does not arise.
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M.: The Master is not outside you as you seem to imagine. He is within, is in fact the Self. Recognise this truth. Seek within you and find Him there. Then you will have constant communion with Him. The message is always there; it is never silent; it can never forsake you: nor can you ever move away from the Master. Your mind is outgoing. Because of that tendency it sees objects as being outside and the Master among them. But the Truth is different.
The Master is the Self.
Turn the mind within and you will find the objects within. You will also realise that it is the Master who is your very Self and there is nothing but Him. Because you identify yourself with the body you have accepted objects as being outside you.
But are you the body? You are not. You are the Self.
There are all the objects and the whole universe. Nothing can escape the Self. How then can you move away from the Master who is your very Self?
Suppose your body moves from place to place; does it ever move away from your Self?
Similarly, you can never be without the Master.
Mr. Lorey was struck by the answer although he was already familiar with the Master’s ways. He was even visibly moved. He prayed that the Grace of the Master might abide with him.
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Sri Bhagavan: The Master being the Self. Grace is inseparable from the Self.
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M.: Is there any moment when you have not realised the Self? Can you ever be apart from the Self? You are always That.
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Talk 512.
Sri Bhagavan said: All mistake the mind-consciousness for Self Consciousness.
There is no mind in deep sleep; but no one denies his being in sleep.
Even a child says on waking, “I slept well,” and does not deny its existence. The ‘I’ rises up, the mind turns outward through the five senses and perceives objects, this they call direct perception.
Asked if ‘I’ is not directly perceived, they get confused, because ‘I’ does not announce itself as an object in front and only the perception with the senses can be recognised by them as knowledge: this habit is so strong with them. A stanza in Thevaram says: “O sages, eager to get over all misery, worry not about inferences and examples! Our Light is ever shining forth from within! With mind clear, live in God!” This is direct perception.
Will the common people admit it? They want God to appear in front of them as a bright Being mounted on a bull. Such a vision once originated must also end. It is therefore transient.
Thevaram speaks of the Eternal and Ever-experienced Being. This Thevaram takes one directly to the Reality.
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Knowledge (jnana) is not incompatible with ignorance (ajnana) because the Self in purity is found to remain along with ignorance-seed (ajnana beeja) in sleep. But the incompatibility arises only in the waking and dream states.
Ajnana has two aspects: avarana (veiling) and vikshepa (multiplicity).
Of these, avarana (veiling) denotes the veil hiding the Truth. That prevails in sleep. Multiplicity (vikshepa) is activity in different times.
This gives rise to diversity and prevails in waking and dream states (jagrat and svapna). If the veil, i.e., avarana is lifted, the Truth is perceived.
It is lifted for a Jnani and so his karana sarira (causal body) ceases to exist.
Vikshepa alone continues for him. Even so, it is not the same for a Jnani as it is for an ajnani.
The ajnani has all kinds of vasanas, i.e., kartrtva (doership) and bhoktrtva (enjoyership), whereas the Jnani has ceased to be doer (karta).
Thus only one kind of vasana obtains for him. That too is very weak and does not overpower him, because he is always aware of the Sat-Chit-Ananda nature of the Self.
The tenuous bhoktrtva vasana is the only remnant of the mind left in the Jnani and he therefore appears to be living in the body.
This explanation when applied to the mantra amounts to this:
A Jnani has his karana sarira destroyed;
the sthula sarira (gross body) has no effect on him and is for all practical purposes destroyed too.
The sukshma sarira (subtle body) alone remains. It is otherwise called ativahika sarira.
It is this which is held by all persons after the physical body is given up. And with this they traverse to other lokas until another suitable physical body is taken.
The Jnani is supposed to move in Brahmaloka with this sukshma sarira. Then that is also dissolved and he passes to final Liberation.
The whole explanation is meant only for the onlooker. The Jnani himself will never raise such questions. He knows by his experience that he is not bound by any kind of limitations.
D.: What is the ‘final emancipation’ according to the foregoing explanation?
M.: The ativahika or the sukshma sarira corresponds to the pure light which one experiences just after sleep and before the rise of the ego. It is Cosmic Consciousness. That is only the Light reflected from the Heart.
When the reflection ceases and abides as the Original Light in the Heart it is final emancipation.
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D.: But Yoga Vasishtha says that the chitta (mind) of a jivanmukta is achala (unchanging).
M.: So it is. Achala chitta (unchanging mind) is the same as suddha manas (pure mind).
The jnani’s manas is said to be suddha manas. The Yoga Vasishtha also says that Brahman is no other than the jnani’s mind. So Brahman is suddha manas only.
D.: Will the description of Brahman as Sat-Chit-Ananda suit this suddha manas? For this too will be destroyed in the final emancipation.
M.: If suddha manas is admitted, the Bliss (Ananda) experienced by the Jnani must also be admitted to be reflected. This reflection must finally merge into the Original. Therefore the jivanmukti state is compared to the reflection of a spotless mirror in another similar mirror. What will be found in such a reflection? Pure Akasa (Ether). Similarly, the jnani’s reflected Bliss (Ananda) represents only the true Bliss. These are all only words.
It is enough that a person becomes antarmukhi (inward-bent).
The sastras are not needed for an inward turned mind. They are meant for the rest.
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Talk 515.
D.: In the explanation given yesterday, it is said that the removal of avarana results in the annihilation of the karana sarira. That is clear. But how is the gross body considered to fall off too?
M.: The vasanas are of two kinds: bandha hetu (causing bondage) and bhoga hetu (only giving enjoyment).
The Jnani has transcended the ego and therefore all the causes of bondage are inoperative.
Bandha hetu is thus at an end and prarabdha (past karma) remains as bhoga vasana (to give enjoyment) only. Therefore it was said that the sukshma sarira alone survives jnana. Kaivalya says that sanchita Karma (stored Karma) is at an end simultaneously with the rise of jnana; that agami (Karma now collecting) is no longer operative owing to the absence of the sense of bondage, and that prarabdha will be exhausted by enjoyment (bhoga) only.
Thus the last one will end in course of time and then the gross body also falls away with it. Sarira traya (the three bodies) and Karma traya (the three Karmas) are mere phrases meant for the delectation of debaters. A Jnani is not affected by any of them. An aspirant is instructed to find who he is. If he does so, he will take no interest in discussing such matters as the above. Find the Self and rest in Peace.
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A question arose if the world is real or unreal, since it is claimed to be both by the advaitins themselves. Sri Bhagavan said that it is unreal if viewed as apart from the Self and real if viewed as the Self.
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The Pandit asked about the operation of Grace. Is it the mind of the Guru acting on the mind of the disciple or anything different?
M.: The Highest Form of Grace is Silence (mowna). It is also the highest upadesa.
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D.: Vivekananda has also said that silence is the loudest form of prayer.
M.: It is so, for the seeker’s silence Guru’s silence is the loudest upadesa. It is also Grace in its highest form. All other dikshas (initiations), e.g., sparsa, chakshus are derived from mowna (silence). They are therefore secondary. Mowna is the primary form. If the Guru is silent the seeker’s mind gets purified by itself.
Talk 519.
M.: The mahavakyas and their interpretation lead to interminable discussions and keep the minds of the seekers engaged externally.
To turn the mind inward the man must directly settle down in the ‘I’.
Then there is an end of external activities and perfect Peace prevails.
Later, a passage from the Yoga Vasishtha was read out before Sri Bhagavan, indicating initiation by look and initiation by touch. Sri Bhagavan observed: Dakshinamurti observed silence when the disciples approached Him. That is the highest form of initiation. It includes the other forms.
There must be subject-object relationship established in the other dikshas. First the subject must emanate and then the object. Unless these two are there how is the one to look at the other or touch him?
Mowna diksha is the most perfect; it comprises looking, touching and teaching. It will purify the individual in every way and establish him in the Reality
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